"Why should I forgive the race that displayed so much cruelty to me, and to the race of my clan?"
Are you shitting me? This girl SERIOUSLY does NOT do her research.
TRUE, Blackmore was an absolute ass. He was a rapist and a drunk and prone to blaming his problems on others. He, like Garithos, were members of Lorderon nobility who gave warcraft humanity a bad name and were followed by many human soldeirs simply because they were noble. What Blackmore did to Taretha is largely unforgivable and I've read enough about rape psychology to understand why she's behaving this way, but good god, not all men can or should be painted with the same brush and she's being as retardedly racist as she's amusing Varian of being.
When the Horde came to Stormwind the area where the poral opened was a rain-forest. Within a year the entire area was dead, the soil dry and barren and the only things hardy enough to live there were fel tainted boars with poisonous flesh and giant bugs.
Stormwind was a kingdom with 7 cities and 50 towns/villages and highly prosperous. There was one dialogue mention that the kingdom held over a million people. After the Horde ravaged the area, cursing several states and sacking each of the cities, 5000 made it north to the kingdoms of lorderan. The rest were murdered, raped and murdered, raped and held to bear half orc or half ogre children and then murdered, and a small percentage (the army) were killed in one battlefield or another. The orcs OWNED stormwind redridge, the burning steppes, the fertile plains of westfall, the rich mines of Elwynn and the forrests of duskshire. There was no resistence left save the trolls in the south who joined the Horde. A continent should have been enough for their homeland.
But no. Within a year they were building boats because building cities was too hard. For an orc, war solves everything. Direct quote from several games and the movie.
The moved north sacking dwarven and gnomish cities, killing everyone they could, until only gnomregan and Ironforge fortresses remained uncracked. The reported death tolls were much lower than for stormwind, at only 60%. They moved further north to shatter the kingdom of Stormgarde irreparably and after forming an alliance with alterac (the traitors) going genocidal on them too. Neither nation has yet recovered.
Then they bypassed the wildhammer and lorderan in favor of smashing cities in quel'thelas. 5 cities full of elves lost and the capitol besieged so that they could steal the runestone wards the elves had set up to keep the burning legion at bay. THIS is what gave Garrithos and Blackmore their original prejudices, because their lands and castles were trampled by the orcs rush to attack the elves.
Gen Greymane built his wall and the Horde turned on Lorderan, genocideing several cities and marching on the capitol (lorderon) again, only because Gul'dan betrayed everybody and ran off with all of the horde's warlocks and deathknights, the attack was thwarted and the orcs driven back.
Back out of lorderan, back out of Khazmodan, back out of stormwind, back out of the searing gorge, into the black morass and their portal closed. At which point they became living toadstools and rounded up into camps, unresistant, but largely immobile. The stated loss of life was three quarters of the kingdoms dead. Probably an exaggeration, but still apocalyptic.
The Humans, the Elves, the Dwarves, the Gnomes, they all have very good reasons to hate and never forgive the orcs their transgressions. The racism here has meaning, unlike most in our reality. But what do the alliance races do? They wave it off and blame the orcs evil on the demons whom the orcs willingly gave themselves too. Instead of going genocidal on them as anyone logical or bereaved would be expected to, they let the orcs live.
Jaina who lost 2 dear brothers and both her parents to orc attacks keeps trying to make peace with them. Gives up alliance hold over the barrens to thrall in diplomacy over her fathers attack. Varian who lost his parents, his older sister, his country and most of his countrymen/women to, settles for merely opposing horde expansion.
All this forgiven after the orcs drank mannoroth's blood WILLINGLY, not once, but twice, and were responsibly for both of the early warcraft games Apocalypse wars.
The orcs act of redemption? To be 1/3rd of the effort to clean up their own god damned mess.
Why should Taretha forgive humanity their cruelty to the orcs? Why should anyone forgive the orcs cruelty to the whole of Azeroth? Of the Horde races, the Tauren and the Blood Elves are the only ones who show themselves to be consistently worthy of respect, and they've got Magatha Grimtotem and Kael'thas the Mad.
The goblins, no explanation needed. The orcs, traitors, cowards and murderers as often as anything honorable. The Trolls, Canibals who are big into enslaving souls to act as potion and spell ingredients. The undead, Before ICC they were repugnant but sympathetic, after...no explanation needed.
The pandaren came too much later to be counted, particularly because they play both sides. And they're pretty god damned honorable.
unForgiven Re: Ankokugai22@yahoo.com
Are you shitting me? This girl SERIOUSLY does NOT do her research.
TRUE, Blackmore was an absolute ass. He was a rapist and a drunk and prone to blaming his problems on others. He, like Garithos, were members of Lorderon nobility who gave warcraft humanity a bad name and were followed by many human soldeirs simply because they were noble. What Blackmore did to Taretha is largely unforgivable and I've read enough about rape psychology to understand why she's behaving this way, but good god, not all men can or should be painted with the same brush and she's being as retardedly racist as she's amusing Varian of being.
When the Horde came to Stormwind the area where the poral opened was a rain-forest. Within a year the entire area was dead, the soil dry and barren and the only things hardy enough to live there were fel tainted boars with poisonous flesh and giant bugs.
Stormwind was a kingdom with 7 cities and 50 towns/villages and highly prosperous. There was one dialogue mention that the kingdom held over a million people. After the Horde ravaged the area, cursing several states and sacking each of the cities, 5000 made it north to the kingdoms of lorderan. The rest were murdered, raped and murdered, raped and held to bear half orc or half ogre children and then murdered, and a small percentage (the army) were killed in one battlefield or another. The orcs OWNED stormwind redridge, the burning steppes, the fertile plains of westfall, the rich mines of Elwynn and the forrests of duskshire. There was no resistence left save the trolls in the south who joined the Horde. A continent should have been enough for their homeland.
But no. Within a year they were building boats because building cities was too hard. For an orc, war solves everything. Direct quote from several games and the movie.
The moved north sacking dwarven and gnomish cities, killing everyone they could, until only gnomregan and Ironforge fortresses remained uncracked. The reported death tolls were much lower than for stormwind, at only 60%. They moved further north to shatter the kingdom of Stormgarde irreparably and after forming an alliance with alterac (the traitors) going genocidal on them too. Neither nation has yet recovered.
Then they bypassed the wildhammer and lorderan in favor of smashing cities in quel'thelas. 5 cities full of elves lost and the capitol besieged so that they could steal the runestone wards the elves had set up to keep the burning legion at bay. THIS is what gave Garrithos and Blackmore their original prejudices, because their lands and castles were trampled by the orcs rush to attack the elves.
Gen Greymane built his wall and the Horde turned on Lorderan, genocideing several cities and marching on the capitol (lorderon) again, only because Gul'dan betrayed everybody and ran off with all of the horde's warlocks and deathknights, the attack was thwarted and the orcs driven back.
Back out of lorderan, back out of Khazmodan, back out of stormwind, back out of the searing gorge, into the black morass and their portal closed. At which point they became living toadstools and rounded up into camps, unresistant, but largely immobile. The stated loss of life was three quarters of the kingdoms dead. Probably an exaggeration, but still apocalyptic.
The Humans, the Elves, the Dwarves, the Gnomes, they all have very good reasons to hate and never forgive the orcs their transgressions. The racism here has meaning, unlike most in our reality. But what do the alliance races do? They wave it off and blame the orcs evil on the demons whom the orcs willingly gave themselves too. Instead of going genocidal on them as anyone logical or bereaved would be expected to, they let the orcs live.
Jaina who lost 2 dear brothers and both her parents to orc attacks keeps trying to make peace with them. Gives up alliance hold over the barrens to thrall in diplomacy over her fathers attack. Varian who lost his parents, his older sister, his country and most of his countrymen/women to, settles for merely opposing horde expansion.
All this forgiven after the orcs drank mannoroth's blood WILLINGLY, not once, but twice, and were responsibly for both of the early warcraft games Apocalypse wars.
The orcs act of redemption? To be 1/3rd of the effort to clean up their own god damned mess.
Why should Taretha forgive humanity their cruelty to the orcs? Why should anyone forgive the orcs cruelty to the whole of Azeroth? Of the Horde races, the Tauren and the Blood Elves are the only ones who show themselves to be consistently worthy of respect, and they've got Magatha Grimtotem and Kael'thas the Mad.
The goblins, no explanation needed.
The orcs, traitors, cowards and murderers as often as anything honorable.
The Trolls, Canibals who are big into enslaving souls to act as potion and spell ingredients.
The undead, Before ICC they were repugnant but sympathetic, after...no explanation needed.
The pandaren came too much later to be counted, particularly because they play both sides. And they're pretty god damned honorable.